02-02-2015, 11:44 PM
(02-01-2015, 10:26 AM)Variable link Wrote:I want to stress out one point that repeated itself several times over the past month under different leaders. If you are threatened, shoot, even if that means revealing yourself. If you are threatened, shoot, even if that means firing on an unaware enemy. That goes to leaders but also for individual soldiers. We die more because someone is waiting for permission to fire than someone shoots prematurely. I trust the people that play on coop nights to use their judgement on cases like this. For example, if there's an enemy vehicle that is approaching your position and there's a good chance that it will spot you, take it out before it detects you, even if there's a chance that it will not notice you. The threat in such a case is too big for us to take the chance.
If you watch Gwyn's video starting from 0:59, you'll see that Bravo team is proned right on the road, and an enemy BTR is patrolling on it. The risk of being detected is too high in this case, the enemy should have been taken out at the point that it was clear that it's going to pass dangerously close to the team. In this case, I was on the other side of the road with Alpha, it took me some time to realize what's about to happen and I took the shot immediately when I saw that the BTR has turned off its lights (indication for its AI crew switching to combat mode, which means they have detected Alpha). If Alpha wasn't in a firing position, Bravo could have been wiped out.
Damn, that looks really embarrassing (for me) from Gwyn's perspective! I was on the other side of the road hiding behind a big tree after someone reported a vehicle on the road and didn't actually know how near it was, so was reluctant to give permission to open fire in case it was so close that the explosion would hurt us and hoped that if we were all lying down in the trees by the side of the road it wouldn't spot us.
If I had realised that we weren't actually that well concealed and someone had already crouched into position to fire and the vehicle was still a safe distance away I would of course given permission but I thought we were all lying down and reasonably concealed when I was asked.
So maybe we do need to allow players to fire on their own initiative but we need to be careful that we don't end up with people firing whenever they feel like and pissing off the leaders who've told them to hold fire. On Lost Squad I recall someone did this and the leader was a bit annoyed but the person explained we were threatened and the leader said fair enough but in future say this before you fire so that he knows what's going on, which seems like a reasonable compromise.
We might also want to look at amending the Server Rules as it clearly says here http://ciahome.net/server-rules/ "Donât open fire without being ordered" although here http://ciahome.net/forum/coop-nights-int...workshop)/ it says it's OK to fire without permission if you're threatened.